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In Russia, Drugs use you...

There is a drug that is pushing thru Russia right now, and shortly will probably be news all over...
Krokodil, named after the crocodile like skin lesions that cover most addicts skin around the injection sites.

It's a cheap heroin substitute that has grown in use in russia to almost 100 thousand users. it's been estimated at nearly 20 times more powerful than Heroin.
Made with over the counter Codeine tablets, lighter fluid, gasoline, Iodine, and red phosphorous, usually scraped off the striker pad on matchbooks, this is a home grown cooked variant of Desomorphine, an opiate made since the thirties, but now reincarnated in cook houses, into it's modern version, Krokodil.

Think of a Meth lab, that product can be made in roughly 90 minutes, and is instantly destructive, has a high that is competing with heroin users with it's price tag.
Less than five dollars a hit.


Side effects include perminent brain damage, motor skills loss, and if you miss a vein and inject the poison into your flesh, instant rot with wet or dry gangrene setting in almost immediately.

Pictures shown of addicts that have gotten the rot are at best sickening...
Gray green skin, very little blood as the flesh drops off, and bones become exposed, with nerves deadened so that they feel almost no pain, or perhaps thats the brain damage inherent in the drugs usage.
This isn't another "zombie" like plague, that turns out to be blow flies under the skin, or leperosy cases in third world nations.

And yes, a zombie plague is the only real way to describe what is happening.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...s-2300787.html

Edit; On afterthought, the pic was simply too wrong, and it was the least gory one I could find.




http://www.time.com/time/world/artic...078355,00.html


A google image search brings up some pretty horrifying images, so if you have a weak stomach don't bother...


This is a video taken of two victims...
DO NOT WATCH if your in the least squeamish, and most definately NSFW...
Again... warning.... Very disturbing...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gz4FqLceWt4



My heart goes out to those who are suffering thru the effects of this drug. Yes, I know that they are junkies, but it's still heartbreaking....

God help us if this shit ever takes hold on this continent...
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I just learned about this drug now. It's about as maggoty as it gets.

For the sick and curious, search "krokodil drug" on google and read about it and then watch these videos (Be warned though - the videos are HIGHLY disturbing and not for the easily upset - or even for the not so easily upset. I couldn't really watch them in real time.):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYsx1h0LgLU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cM6v-...eature=related
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Poor bastards... that's just nasty.
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Very horrible. Ron had it on his mind/twitter a while back and I checked it out then, and wrote a nice short story with the inspiration.

A vile drug that should be eradicated before the trend spreads.
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JESUS FUCKIN' CHRIST!!!!!

It's extremely sad that some people will do anythin' for a high. Dia's right, that shit should be wiped off the map before any other poor bastards get their hands on it, because that's a horror movie waitin' to happen.
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Old 09-20-2011, 10:18 AM
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I kinda wish I hadn't seen those clips. Some of those images are stuck in my head now.

I find that happens when you see something particularly graphic or shocking, at least that's how I respond. I have to satisfy some 'understanding' of it before I can tame the trauma of the images.

That poor woman. And that poor dude having his leg amputated by wire. Jesus Christ. It's some of the nastiest stuff I've seen - especially when you grasp the notion that the rotted flesh is self inflicted as a consequence of drug addiction.

Poor bastards!
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I’ll admit to having a problem watching those clips but I did look up the drug. This sort of thing beggars belief. I can’t see it catching on elsewhere too quickly if those are the side effects.
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"But to produce krokodil, whose medical name is desomorphine, addicts mix it (codeine) with ingredients including gasoline, paint thinner, hydrochloric acid, iodine and red phosphorous, which they scrape from the striking pads on matchboxes."

Yeah, that sounds like something I want to inject into my body.. What the FUCK is wrong with people?
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Old 09-21-2011, 02:33 PM
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It's not that entirely different to what goes into the manufacturing of cocaine....

Kerosene; ammonia, commonly used to make cleaning agents, fertilizers and synthetic fibers; lime, used to make bricks and mortar; sodium carbonate, used in glass, soap and cleansers; sulfuric acid, used in automobile batteries; potassium permanganate, used in tanning leather and purifying water, ethyl ether, a common solvent, and hydrochloric acid, used for cleaning metal and preparing food products.

Plus....all the crap used to cut the cocaine after the fact (novocaine or benzocaine, baking soda or carcinogenic pain killers.)
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Ah but is it picked and processed by enslaved 8 year olds like cocaine is?
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No. And neither does it turn uncharismatic, terminally dull drips of water into blathering, narcissistic egomaniacs.

When you add it all up, KROKODIL is actually the better option!
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I'm glad I only take prescription medication and the only side effects, I have to worry about maybe having are allergic reactions, blood disorders, cancer, heart failure, immune system disorders, infections and nervous system diseases.
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Look folks if were going to have a zombie epidemic, it may as well be self inflicted. I was really getting nervous with the idea that it might be brought on by some sort of airborne illness or nuclear disaster. This is way more manageable.
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Look folks if were going to have a zombie epidemic, it may as well be self inflicted. I was really getting nervous with the idea that it might be brought on by some sort of airborne illness or nuclear disaster. This is way more manageable.
Well at least they won't be too hard to run away from if they only have one leg.

I can't help thinking that people doing drugs like this is Darwinian selection...he said rolling another fag.
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These videos turned up on poeTV a few years ago. It's amazing and horrifying what people do to themselves for the sake of some sense of euphoric escape.
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That is some of the sickest shit I've ever seen. When they were cleaning the infected hole on the woman I had to turn it off. As was said before, it's amazing what people will endure to get high.
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Ugh! Just reading about it is bad enough. No watching videos for me!
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This is, along with cryltal meth, one of the few drugs that will destroy you. Why people go into this, I have no idea. I can understand falling under the spell of more "recreational" drugs, but this is just plain crazy.

The few bits I caught on TV a few weeks ago were enough for me. I won't watch any more.
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I rarely have had to turn something off because it was making me ill. The video where the woman is getting her wounds cleaned out actually made me gag and feel sick. Couldn't make it through the whole thing.
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Yeah, not too long ago someone from our office was talking about it and I looked it up on google images (NOT video, don't think I could take that!). Can't un-see what that does to a person, truly disturbing real-life horror.
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It's almost unbelievable that someone could allow that to happen to themselves. I can't imagine getting so addicted to something that I would continue to use it despite having gaping wounds in my flesh. I don't even want to know what kind of lives these people lead in order to start using a drug like this. How depressing.

At least the kids here in America aren't posting YouTube videos of themselves doing Krokodil... yet.
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At least the kids here in America aren't posting YouTube videos of themselves doing Krokodil... yet.
They are too busy self asphyxiating I suppose.
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Yes, while drinking hand sanitizer apparently.

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Outreach workers worry that Krokodil has arrived in Canada!

http://globalnews.ca/news/982556/kro...ports-suggest/

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Why do outreach workers spell heroin "herein" on the whiteboard in their office?
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Sounds like they have a very philosophical, zen-like approach to treating addiction.
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"Hey. Hey! Man, I got this shit that gets you FUCKED UP. I'm talkin better than anythin you ever tasted. Shit so good it eats your fuckin skin right off."

Yeah, sign me up for this shit. What kind of world do we live in when people will inflict something like upon themselves? This is like a drug straight from Unit 731.
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sigh. this is so sad. i saw a note on fakebook where a local group, Drug Users Advocacy League, was looking for any mention of this hitting Ottawa, let alone Toronto. I was hoping they were being preemptive, but if it is here in Canada at all, it is likely in TO, Ottawa and the DLES at least.
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"Hey. Hey! Man, I got this shit that gets you FUCKED UP. I'm talkin better than anythin you ever tasted. Shit so good it eats your fuckin skin right off."

Yeah, sign me up for this shit. What kind of world do we live in when people will inflict something like upon themselves? This is like a drug straight from Unit 731.
I used to think just like that. I used to wonder how anyone would poison themselves knowing what it's going to do with them. And they know.

Then I was given morphine in the ER. Now I can begin to understand why someone would chase that high no matter what the cost.
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But why seek out a self destructive drug in the first place?

This is the age of information. It isn't a secret what can happen with heroin, crack, cocaine, krokodil, etcetera. So why try it?

Of course, it's no big secret on how (not) to get pregnant, and yet every day young people are fucking that up.

I guess it's human nature to ignore reason.
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But why seek out a self destructive drug in the first place?

I guess it's human nature to ignore reason.
Have you ever taken a narcotic on the level with these drugs? The high is INCREDIBLE and that all that matters to an addict.
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Yeah, I realize that. Sometimes I feel sex is like a drug. However, they were sober before they embarked on the high. What I want to know, is what's going through their mind minutes or seconds before the needle hits their skin for the first time. Is it just to get higher because acid and weed aren't doing it for them? Is it pure experimentation? Is it a lack of ambition to do something else?

Obviously krokodil abusers are junkies not wanting to pay the steeper price for a, for lack of a better word, safer drug.

A kid I went to school with started dealing drugs in eighth grade. By the time he was in tenth, he was addicted to meth. To eat, he had to smoke a joint. The kid was a fucking waste of space. I guess I just don't understand how someone could have such disregard for their well being.
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With terminal drug addiction, i don't think it is chasing the high so much as running away from the low. Prominent spokesperson for supervised injection sites and other addiction issues, Dr. Gabor Mate, asks “Not why the addiction but why the pain.” This quote is a favourite of support workers, academics, physicians, writers and myself and a good summary of Mate's arguments.

It's more about what hole they are trying to fill that most treatments can't seem to identify, let alone fix.
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That makes sense, I guess, typicallydia.

It's been awhile, but I was fascinated by William S. Burrough's essays on drug addiction. I don't recall if he ever defined the "why." I know he had some very strong opinions on how to destroy the drug problem the world faces, and also put the spotlight on an excellent drug to help abusers through withdrawals, instead of substituting one addiction for another.
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It's not always about getting a fix to feel normal. When a user starts with a drug it's because they want that amazing feeling they get from it. I'll use myself as an example, as I mentioned above. Several years ago I was in the ER with a broken ankle and major lacerations to my knee. No way I could have walked and those were just the major injuries. After examinations, x-rays, etc. they shot me up with some morphine for the pain. Have you ever been given morphine? It's amazing stuff, like nothing I've never known. I was ready to get up and walk on my completely FUCKED leg when they shot me up.

Now imagine experiencing this amazing feeling. You'd want it again, so you shoot up a second time. But each time it's not as good, but that doesn't matter, you're trying to get that perfect moment again. Next thing you know you're dealing with addiction and you won't get that high as much as maybe almost be normal when you get your fix.

No one says, "Hey, I want to ruin my life with meth/junk/crack." They might even know what happens to users, but they're different. They're special. It won't happen to them.

Does that help explain why someone might start using drugs?
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Is it just to get higher because acid and weed aren't doing it for them?
You're talking about completely different kinds of highs - psychoactive vs. opioid. Psychoactive drugs play with your brain's perceptions, opioid drugs play with your brain's chemistry, hence their strong addictive quality.
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It's not always about getting a fix to feel normal. When a user starts with a drug it's because they want that amazing feeling they get from it. I'll use myself as an example, as I mentioned above. Several years ago I was in the ER with a broken ankle and major lacerations to my knee. No way I could have walked and those were just the major injuries. After examinations, x-rays, etc. they shot me up with some morphine for the pain. Have you ever been given morphine? It's amazing stuff, like nothing I've never known. I was ready to get up and walk on my completely FUCKED leg when they shot me up.

Now imagine experiencing this amazing feeling. You'd want it again, so you shoot up a second time. But each time it's not as good, but that doesn't matter, you're trying to get that perfect moment again. Next thing you know you're dealing with addiction and you won't get that high as much as maybe almost be normal when you get your fix.

No one says, "Hey, I want to ruin my life with meth/junk/crack." They might even know what happens to users, but they're different. They're special. It won't happen to them.

Does that help explain why someone might start using drugs?
You were given these drugs. You didn't start using via your own free will. Typidilly (screen name spelling?) response made more sense. There has to be a void for someone to go to such extremes.

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You're talking about completely different kinds of highs - psychoactive vs. opioid. Psychoactive drugs play with your brain's perceptions, opioid drugs play with your brain's chemistry, hence their strong addictive quality.
This is true. I was grasping for a quick analogy. It obviously failed.
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I experimented with a lot of drugs in my youth which led me to smoke heroin thinking it was pot. The high was incredible and the only word I can describe it with is orgasmic though not something I would seek out voluntarily as I was very well read on the various substances I abused. Quite a few of the people I hung out with were incarcerated or dead before their time. Hard drug users were actively trying to create a market to sell to in order to support their own habits and I made a break from all the people I hung out with.
Alcohol became my problem but rather than abstain I began to curb and control my intake through force of will which appears to be working though the AA meetings I attended were an eye opener I decided that moderation was for me if I could manage it and I would prefer not to lose my wife and daughter.
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I experimented with a lot of drugs in my youth which led me to smoke heroin thinking it was pot. The high was incredible and the only word I can describe it with is orgasmic though not something I would seek out voluntarily as I was very well read on the various substances I abused. Quite a few of the people I hung out with were incarcerated or dead before their time. Hard drug users were actively trying to create a market to sell to in order to support their own habits and I made a break from all the people I hung out with.
Alcohol became my problem but rather than abstain I began to curb and control my intake through force of will which appears to be working though the AA meetings I attended were an eye opener I decided that moderation was for me if I could manage it and I would prefer not to lose my wife and daughter.
This is amazing and truly a feat! I work with a reformed alcoholic that hasn't touched a drop in twenty-five years because he's afraid he'd start all over again.
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You were given these drugs. You didn't start using via your own free will. Typidilly (screen name spelling?) response made more sense. There has to be a void for someone to go to such extremes.\
No, I was giving the context in which I experienced a dose of an opiod pain killer, something very, very closely related to drugs like heroin. I explained how someone could start using drugs. It's not because they're empty inside or filling a void. Even people with all the privileged and resources in the world can experiment with drugs.

My parents love me and never treated me poorly. While I did not grow up wealthy I pretty much got what I wanted and certainly what I needed during my formative years. I'm well educated, intelligent, well read. And yet in my teens and young adulthood I experimented with drugs. I knew what I was doing and what the dangers were but I did it anyway. While I did not use the "heavy" drugs that were available to me many of my friends did and destroyed their lives. They came from the same background as me, no one was filling a void.

Typicallydia's explanation has more to do with the motivation of an addict, not someone just starting out using a drug. You start because you want that high, you want that amazing feeling. You keep using because you need to to even feel normal, and even that isn't often feasible.

I'm beginning to think that you may not have real world experience with drugs, their effects, and the lives of users. There's very little rational about drug abuse. No matter how much you KNOW it's going to destroy you, if you're an addict you will do it anyway.
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I think different people's brains crave different things.

When I was 9 years old I got pretty banged up and wound up in traction in the hospital. I was in a lot of pain, and at one point they shot me up with morphine. I didn't experience any of the grand pleasures others have described. I thought it was awful. It felt like I was drowning.

Many years later I snorted heroin on two separate occasions and had the same reaction. It was an interesting experience, but overwhelming and ultimately unpleasant. Definitely nothing orgasmic about it, at least for me. It wasn't something I wanted to do on a regular basis, and because of the addictive potential, heroin was something I never touched again.

My girlfriend at the time was also doing it for the first time but she ended up addicted. Despite stints in rehab, it eventually killed her.
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This is amazing and truly a feat! I work with a reformed alcoholic that hasn't touched a drop in twenty-five years because he's afraid he'd start all over again.
I never let go of the truth of my addiction and becoming a teetotaler was an option I seriously considered. Being a reliable father and husband is too important to me to start sliding. I learnt to drive this year and the reason I hadn't was because I didn't trust myself before. Very few people start out by taking strong and dangerous drugs and some are more susceptible than others, addiction is a journey.

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Many years later I snorted heroin on two separate occasions and had the same reaction. It was an interesting experience, but overwhelming and ultimately unpleasant. Definitely nothing orgasmic about it, at least for me. It wasn't something I wanted to do on a regular basis, and because of the addictive potential, heroin was something I never touched again.
The high for me was countered by how absolutely dreadful I felt coming down afterwards. I've lost a few people I loved and burned a lot of bridges.
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No, I was giving the context in which I experienced a dose of an opiod pain killer, something very, very closely related to drugs like heroin. I explained how someone could start using drugs. It's not because they're empty inside or filling a void. Even people with all the privileged and resources in the world can experiment with drugs.

My parents love me and never treated me poorly. While I did not grow up wealthy I pretty much got what I wanted and certainly what I needed during my formative years. I'm well educated, intelligent, well read. And yet in my teens and young adulthood I experimented with drugs. I knew what I was doing and what the dangers were but I did it anyway. While I did not use the "heavy" drugs that were available to me many of my friends did and destroyed their lives. They came from the same background as me, no one was filling a void.

Typicallydia's explanation has more to do with the motivation of an addict, not someone just starting out using a drug. You start because you want that high, you want that amazing feeling. You keep using because you need to to even feel normal, and even that isn't often feasible.

I'm beginning to think that you may not have real world experience with drugs, their effects, and the lives of users. There's very little rational about drug abuse. No matter how much you KNOW it's going to destroy you, if you're an addict you will do it anyway.
No, I don't have much experience with drugs. In this area, the problem is alcoholism.
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I have a close friend who was addicted to meth for several years. Which is something I tried a few times as a teenager (and yes, I do understand from personal experience how easy it can be to become addicted, even after only having a drug once or twice) but luckily, I got away from that crowd of people as I got a little older.

She ended up getting pregnant. She didn't realize she was pregnant at first, so she was still using until she found out, at which point the state became involved.

She had the baby almost a year ago now, and still has custody, although she has surrounded herself by meth-users (the baby's dad's family) and her old friends. Those people are her family, basically. And yes, she did use once (that I know of) and almost had the child taken away.

Its frustrating for me to stand outside her situation and wonder how she could do such a thing when she has a baby to take care of. And believe me, she loves that baby. But at the same time I try to remain sympathetic because I know how powerful addiction can be.

I'm probably lucky I was able to detach myself from that group of friends, otherwise I could easily be in the same boat. I think it takes a little bit of exposure and personal experience to really understand what drug addicts go through.
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No, I don't have much experience with drugs. In this area, the problem is alcoholism.
Alcoholism is a drug addiction, just a more socially acceptable one.
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Alcoholism is a drug addiction, just a more socially acceptable one.
Therein lies the trap and growing up in the North of England the ability to drink large quantities of ale was not frowned upon but actively encouraged. My home town has the worst drink drive record in England.
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Therein lies the trap and growing up in the North of England the ability to drink large quantities of ale was not frowned upon but actively encouraged. My home town has the worst drink drive record in England.
You have my sympathies. New Orleans is known for it's party atmosphere and drinking. Alcohol consumption is a huge part of the culture here.
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